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Post subject: Freedom of Speech...Church vs State..this one has it all
 Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 12:51 AM
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CHICAGO -- Declaring that clergy have a constitutional right to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, the socially conservative Alliance Defense Fund is recruiting several dozen pastors to do just that on Sept. 28, in defiance of Internal Revenue Service rules.
The effort by the Arizona-based legal consortium is designed to trigger an IRS investigation that ADF lawyers would then challenge in federal court. The ultimate goal is to persuade the U.S. Supreme Court to throw out a 54-year-old ban on political endorsements by tax-exempt houses of worship.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02460.html
Whatever you think of this, I DO thinks it's time for the highest
court in the land to rule on this and make the law clear.
PS...You know, it just hit me, this one had politics and religion.
I'm not trying to give Paul a migraine, so please keep it civil or
I'll ask him to delete it.  |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 01:11 AM
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I'm just glad it hit the networks- I read about days ago, and there are a number of people trying to get information like this out to the general public.
It's only the tip of the iceberg. The more you learn, the scarier it gets. |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 07:44 AM
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Anyone is going to have an opinion on the outcome of elections and such. This includes clergymen, priests and the occasional flying nun. There is nothing wrong with that, as they are American citizens and fully free to vote or discuss the situation as they wish.
I also don't mind a church having it's own political debate/discussion/support for a particular candidate. Again, that's just a group of people (who happen to be related religiously) doing what all groups of people get to do.
However! Using the name of the Church, God, or Christian as a way of coercing others to vote for a candidate lest they be excommunicated or condemned to Hell is not. Any clergyman/woman who feels the need to break their Sunday worship service to announce that they are going support a candidate is flirting dangerously with this. They don't feel the need to discuss the yearly bake sales, potlucks, church retreats etc... do they? They have separate meetings for this. God get's 1hr a week from most people, don't you think it's a little odd for a priest to want to put GOD on hold, during His so-called Golden Hour, so they can discuss a MAN they plan to vote for or endorse? Seem a little bit funny to you?
All churches have flyers, bulliten boards and websites. If they want to discuss politics they can have a separate meeting in their basement or wherever they meet to hold their book (non Bible) clubs. Like they do for everything else not worship service related.
I will close saying, Beware of any Church who feels the need to preach politics and not God. |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 07:54 PM
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Location: I destroy my enemy when I make him my friend.--Abraham Lincoln
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| Cuzsis wrote: | However! Using the name of the Church, God, or Christian as a way of coercing others to vote for a candidate lest they be excommunicated or condemned to Hell is not. Any clergyman/woman who feels the need to break their Sunday worship service to announce that they are going support a candidate is flirting dangerously with this. They don't feel the need to discuss the yearly bake sales, potlucks, church retreats etc... do they? They have separate meetings for this. God get's 1hr a week from most people, don't you think it's a little odd for a priest to want to put GOD on hold, during His so-called Golden Hour, so they can discuss a MAN they plan to vote for or endorse? Seem a little bit funny to you?
I will close saying, Beware of any Church who feels the need to preach politics and not God. |
I lost a job once because a church member was very vocal about a particular candidate. I didn't agree with that member. It just so happens that the same church member was on the board of staff members for a company that I worked for. Within a week, I was let go.... no particular explanations. I know that up until that point, my work had been excellent.
So, not only be aware of clergy pushing for a candidate, but be aware of members with a political agenda as well. |
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Posted: Sep 11, 2008 - 02:36 AM
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It's a real problem. Most of the churches of one denomination are very clear- they say if you vote Democrat, you are going to hell.
Sorry- dedicated liberal Democrat AND Christian here- and I reject their ideology. |
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Posted: Sep 11, 2008 - 02:48 AM
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| rdb wrote: | It's a real problem. Most of the churches of one denomination are very clear- they say if you vote Democrat, you are going to hell.
Sorry- dedicated liberal Democrat AND Christian here- and I reject their ideology. |
For decades most of the churches in the South taught their flock to
vote Democratic, especially in the black congregations. It was in fact, well known and accepted.
I realize the Democratic party isn't even close to the same as
it was in the 60's, if it was, they'd win more elections.
My question is, why did these authorities wait until now to
start drawing the line on the tax exempt status?
Oh, I'll post the disclaimer now, so I don't have to later.
I've been to black churches, and blacks attend the church my
mother pastors and I go to......sometimes  |
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